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KrisNaga · Jun 18, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

This pisses me off as well and I live by a simple rule, if something offends me I stop watching/reading/whatever. There's this thing called the 'freedom of speech act' and I firmly stand by it, if people are offended by mere words then they need to go back to school.
This is a mmorpg, people swear and in certain situations it's warranted, if people can't deal with swearing then they should leave.

lilburne · Jun 18, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I really don't get this recent trend of spazzing about swearing....

There is a CHAT FILTER for a REASON...

And Guilds/ Alliances have the right to set their own rules , if that rule is that there is no swearing in guild or alliance chat they have every right to remind someone if they break that rule.

If you don't want to be part of an alliance where such rules are in place then don't join one, but don't expect people to keep you in a guild where you can't abide by their rules. It really is that simple.

Rocky Raccoon · Jun 18, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Back then

Ha, you are exactly the type of person I'm talking about. You cry and get upset because other people are having fun, and can't seem to understand that internet is not srs business. I know you're probably used to lead boyscout troops or whatever you do in your spare time, but not everyone wants to play the game by your rules. Maybe you need to grow up a little and realize some people don't care what you think and just want to have fun.

You are so far of base about me it is laughable. I was never a Boyscout or leader because I thought they were all a bunch of pussies. If you think having fun includes making a total ass of yourself go for it. If you think the internet is just for fun and games, you really don't know much. I have a question for you. How does using obscenities help you to have fun?

EDIT: I really hope you are a 12 year old because if you are not you are really scary.

Ce Aa Te · Jun 18, 2009, 08:44 PM // 20:44

people in here have used the statement on free speech...this is true enough however.just cuz you live in a country where you have the freedom to say what you want does not mean you should....respect and honor play a big part in all speech.

Sekhmet585 · Jun 18, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Ce Aa Te

people in here have used the statement on free speech...this is true enough however.just cuz you live in a country where you have the freedom to say what you want does not mean you should....respect and honor play a big part in all speech.

agreed... i'm more likely to listen to a person who doesn't swear than a person that does.. yes i'm the pot that called the kettle black but i only swear around friends not in front of people i don't know or i respect

mlandry · Jun 18, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I used to guild hop hopping for a good guild. I had 2 decent ones : one which was pretty much just faction farming and got boring once I stopped trying to work on those title since that's all the guild did, and some other guild which had 2-3 fun member to play with, much better than most guilds, but they got inactive so I left. That's out of a huge number of guilds I tried.

I've decided to stick with this guild I'm in now. I just close GC and AC permanently and play on my own. EverytimeI give AC or GC a try, the alliance leader is hitting on random girls in the guild or saying stupid stuff. The alliance is filled with annoying people spamming on AC and GC with no rules pretty much. You (Kain) should know since you were there not long ago (FDR alliance)...

I've given up on finding a decent guild. Even in the "good" guilds I was in, I have gotten help maybe once or twice with missions, or gotten a partner when asking if anyone wants to play together maybe 2-3 times; this is despite helping several people in pretty much every guild I've been in, which is pretty much the only time I get to play with guild members.

Thank god for ZQuests for bringing teamplay back, ever so slightly (everyone wants me to use overpowered PvE-only skills, but it's better than playing alone).

Parson Brown · Jun 18, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by VanDamselx

I swear like a sailor. It doesn't make me any less intelligent than the next person or any sort of attention seeker.

I obviously know my limits and understand there is a time and a place where it is appropriate. GW, IMO, is a place suitable to swear.

Every time we open our mouths (or type, I guess), we make a decision about how we want to present ourselves. Some choose to show some class, some choose to use language that will call negative attention to themselves. I can only assume that those people WANT that negative attention.

I have no doubt that you are intelligent, as you claim, but then I must ask, why do you choose to use language that will make others think otherwise?

Halmyr · Jun 18, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

If you wanna swear in a guild, make one and make the rule that you can swear.
By entering a guild, well the best way to explain it is that its a democracy but theres only one hand that counts, the guild leader.

also, just because a guild does not allow swearing, does not mean its a bad guild, a strick one maybe, but not a bad one. The swearing might be there to keep the atmosphere as calm and relax as possible, to know that when some one is swearing, its time to do something.....well this is mostly an example.

Can't express your self without swearing.....will not impress me. I swear with friends and my brother. Any one I don't know, I will not swear because it does not make a good impression, you will not know there reaction. Get to know people you start swearing.

Lastly, I also have long days, I'm doing a 1 year course ni 6 month with more course then the basic course....very condense and pack. When I log on, I don't feel like seing a you punk with no better thing then swearing to impresse others.

Life is very simple : you play with fire, you are going to get burned.

thats what you did, and you got burned.

Coverticus · Jun 18, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Personally, I find there is a fine line between chat being ok/amusing or becoming offensive when swear words are used. And also the age old problem of text - how a person meant a statement. Interpretation is always a problem.

Yes I run a small guild and alliance now, to which the rules are simple - swearing is tolerated in modicum. I want all my guild and alliance people to feel that they belong in a social environment that can allow any age into the fray. A number have their kids in with them too, so it's out of respect and appreciation that a.) children are about and b.) not everyone wants to see profanities. Yes okay, filters are there but I feel if a simple rule is in place, most will abide/cohere to it. Other guilds have no "censorship", which is fine. At the end of the day, it's down the guild "families" to decide on how they be. And police it where appropriate.

I have always found excessive profanities lead to fighting on a 1 to 1/1 to many scale. So this is why I personally prefer this method. A "f*** that was really good" can be fine, a "go f*** yourself" is not.

However, the OP only really has himself to blame here on this one.

Jensy · Jun 18, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I... can only be thankful I'm in a guild/alliance with friends, and we don't give a flying fig about swearing in GC/AC, heh. I don't get what the big deal is with swearing anyway o_O

Buster · Jun 18, 2009, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Ok this is fairly simple. I'm in my mid 30's and I don't even swear ingame. There are things called manners and respect. Some need to learn these. If I do swear it is on vent and making sure the push to talk button is off. (I have no problems admitting that because I am far from perfect.) Bottom line is that if you can't condcut yourself in a decent manner around people then perhaps being a part of a community isn't for you.

KrisNaga · Jun 18, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Well Like I said before, sometimes swearing is warranted and like the op said, he got the shield he wanted and this was an achievement for him.
Everyone swears and when kids grow up they will swear like anyone else.
However if people swear non stop and use it in a foul way then people deserve to get banned but swearing a few times is no big deal.

fenix · Jun 18, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Okay. Here's the deal.

I deleted a lot of posts. A lot. This is because a lot of you think it's cool to post like morons, or troll for no reason. It isn't. The ONLY thing that is stopping me from closing this thread right now, is that I want to see if you guys can gather the cognitive powers to have a decent discussion about a good topic.

So either smarten up, or get out.

Ryssul Sylverhart · Jun 18, 2009, 11:56 PM // 23:56

To the OP:

Some guild I was in was the same way. They were freaking Nazis.

If you said the word "crap", you got chastised. Even if you put one word in caps, like "YAY!", you got chastised. One time me and this other guildy were talking about something really silly... It was an offhand comment like, "This NPC is on weed LOL" or something like that, and we got yelled at for using "drug references". But yet every other day there would be huge dramafests and buttkssing between the members and the officers/leaders, but God forbiiiiiiiiiiid you say the word "damn", "hell" or something else like, "shut up" "stupid" or "idiot" (even if you weren't even talking about another member). It was advertised as being a mature guild; the people in that guild were 16+ and ranging ages into the 40s, so it wasn't like there were 5-year olds in there. I can understand some people not wanting to see "F*CK B*TCH RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO A**" every five seconds, but we got treated like kindergartners!

The Air Revenger · Jun 19, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

its been said by people over and over again just because there is a filter doesnt mean you get to say whatever you want.

Lishy · Jun 19, 2009, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Interesting.. Did GWG have a rollback? Page 9 seems of disappeared.. Whatever.

I'll give the memo to those that didn't see it on the deleted page 9:

I'm a troll. All of this was a setup. I'm not actually someone who bitches over being kicked.
I had simply just set up an excuse by causing a situation like this and getting their attention to make this thread and let things proceed from there to keep us busy until the next skill update, for entertainment, to have some heated debate, and most of all, for lulz.
However, little did I know this thread would get so many pages and at one point, 54 people viewing it, in under 24 hours.

Feel free to ban me if you must. One of the few things I said earlier that were true is that I've been an asshole. Isn't that the whole point of the interwebz?
And if no one starts a heated debate, who will?

edit:
And a special apology to the alliance I was in. It's common sense you probably don't share the same feelings back, but hey, at least I'm apologizing.
But hey, I must say, thank you for the troll material I was able use

VanDamselx · Jun 19, 2009, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Parson Brown

Every time we open our mouths (or type, I guess), we make a decision about how we want to present ourselves. Some choose to show some class, some choose to use language that will call negative attention to themselves. I can only assume that those people WANT that negative attention.

I have no doubt that you are intelligent, as you claim, but then I must ask, why do you choose to use language that will make others think otherwise?

Like I said, there is a time and place to swear. In social settings with friends, I don't hold back; however, I understand that some people hold swearing in a negative light and it is not appropriate for all settings. Obviously, I wouldn't swear in front of my professors, my bosses, at a job interview, etc. unless that door was opened first.

Nerel · Jun 19, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by Parson Brown

tl/dr

The only reason to swear in chat is to call attention to yourself. Stop please.

Unless of course you don't have the vocabulary to speak without cursing...

My vocabulary is fine, and larger than that of narrow minded fools due to the inclusion of certain colourful language. The range of one's vocabulary is simply the amount words one knows how to use... by limiting yourself to polite conversation you are limiting your vocabulary. As for attention seeking... hardly, some cultures use words you might find offensive quite freely... they see it as not being narrow minded prudes scared of certain strings of letters

Australian's tend to swear/cuss a LOT in everyday conversation without intending to be attention RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs or trying to offend, but maybe that's because they're all drunken convicts or something...

fenix · Jun 19, 2009, 03:42 AM // 03:42

We do swear a bit, but not because we're drunken convicts. Well...not because we're convicts....er....

But really, it just seems to be a social thing. No one is offended by language here, and it's not as though we're all unintelligent idiots. It's just language. You can use it in conversation without being insulting to people.

MMSDome · Jun 19, 2009, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Words are Words, they don't hurt you.

They are as harmful as you make them to be.